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		<title>By: Demetrius Skortou</title>
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		<description>Dear Sir/Madam,

I&#039;m not sure whether you would be interested in what has been going on over our skies now for at least 9 years. Below are several E-Mails sent to various individuals, including David Miliband (leader of the Labour Party) and an article about these unmarked surveillance aircraft in the Telegraph, which have been flying around in circles, for 18 hours a day, over our estate for 9 years now.

No one in authority, seems to know why these unmarked aircraft have chosen our area, for all this surveillance.

I&#039;ve read your article on this new Police DNA database. I bet that soon all this information, will suddenly dissapear, into some overseas database.

Acts of terrorism, have brought rich rewards, for both the police &amp; intelligence services.

Yours Sincerely,

 
Demetrius Skortou

 
E-MAIL TO DAVID MILLIBAND

 

Dear Mr Miliband,

 

So, the government want to give even more powers to the security services to spy on anyone they like, how convenient. Terrorism has been a gift, to the intelligence services. The new laws, rules &amp; regulations, have allowed these faceless people to intrude into all our personal lives, and the government doesn&#039;t have to confirm nor deny whether someone is under surveillance either. The established order of this country don&#039;t really care about acts of terrorism, if they did, the government would not allow so many people to pass through our border controls, so easy!

 

Consider the E-Mail &amp; the Telegraph article below. For 9 years I have sent over 300 e-mails to every newspaper, relevant government dept, Prime Ministers offices, Home Secretaries (that didn&#039;t seem to last long every time I wrote to them about these mysterious unmarked aircraft) Southwark Council, Valerie Shawcross MP, James Cleverly (who sits on the London assembly) Liberty, HACAN - Clear Skies, CAA, NATS, Simon Hughes MP for Southwark/Bermondsey and the MOD. I have come up against a brick wall of silence over this matter. It seems no one in authority or the press &amp; media are the least bit interested in these commercial passenger type aircraft, that are actually being used as surveillance aircraft. These unmarked aircraft/helicopters have been flying constantly around our estate of Tabard Gardens, SE1 for at least 9 years now, causing so much unnecessary levels of noise &amp; pollution, from 6:00am until 11:00pm at night..........why? 





Yours Sincerely,

 



Demetrius Skortou
 









MY E-MAIL

 

I&#039;m not sure whether this E-mail will interest you. However, after reading an article of a white unmarked jet flying over New York on 9/11, I thought you may be interested in the article I sent below to our Local Police Authority, at the London Mayors Office at Tower Bridge, South London. 

As you can see from the article below, the residents of a South London apartment block have had to endure the constant noise/pollution flights of these unmarked commercial passenger type aircraft, that have been flying around our estate, for nearly 9 years now. The British government have been keeping a tight lip about all of this. 

The question is, why would the intelligence services use unmarked passenger jets to just fly around in circles, for 18 hours a day? And why was their a similar white unmarked passenger jet, circling around New York City, the same day that both Twin Towers, were destroyed...by Al-Qaeda? 


Yours Sincerely,
 

Demetrius Skortou

 







THE TELEGRAPH ARTICLE

 

The Metropolitan Police has secret spy planes capable of eavesdropping on mobile phone calls from the sky.


The existence of the fleet of planes - each costing at least £3 million to purchase and hundreds of thousands more to operate - has never been publicly disclosed.
The police have being using the planes since at least 1997.


The disclosure of the spending, which is not detailed in official accounts, comes as the police face 20 per cent cuts in their budget, creating fears that hundreds of support staff will lose their jobs and the number of officers reduced. 


Despite the cuts the Met&#039;s secret fixed wing aircraft fleet is still flying regular sorties over London from a base at Farnborough airfield, in Hampshire.
The planes have apparently been fitted with secret surveillance equipment capable of intercepting mobile phone calls or eavesdropping on conversations.


They are understood to be similar to surveillance planes available to MI5 which have been used in anti-terrorism operations and were used to help West Midlands Police track suspects connected to a plot to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier. 


One of the planes is a Cessna F04, which can carry up to 14 passengers or be fitted with specially integrated patrol mission packs. We have been asked not to disclose full details of the aircraft on security grounds.
The twin engine craft are operated separately from the Met&#039;s Air Support Unit which has three helicopters and flies hundreds of hours a month in support of police operations around the capital at a cost of £3 million a year.
Last week a Metropolitan Police spokesman refused to discuss its use of the fixed wing aircraft but insisted it has gone through a &quot;full&quot; procurement process.


However members of the Metropolitan Police Authority, which scrutinises the force&#039;s spending said they had never been told of the existence of the aircraft.
According to Civil Aviation Authority records, the aircraft is registered to a firm called Nor Leasing.


There is no trace of the firm on any other official record and its business address registered with the CAA is actually a branch of Mail Boxes Etc, which offers a virtual office services and mail forwarding, in Surbiton, south-west London. 


Another Cessna was also previously registered to Nor Leasing at the same address and at another service address in Kensington, west London.
In 1997 one of the original individuals listed as &quot;trading as&quot; Nor Leasing was John Carnt who at the time was a senior Metropolitan Police detective.
Superintendent Carnt was the then head of the Serious and Economic Crime Group, which was set up to combat major fraud, money laundering and art and antiques thefts.


The pattern of hidden spending is believed to have been established by Tony Williams, a former assistant finance director at Scotland Yard, who established a secret web of companies for use in specialist undercover operations.
But Mr Williams also used the same techniques to steal millions of pounds from the force to set himself up as a bogus Scottish &quot;laird&quot;. Williams was accused of stealing more than £4 million from Scotland Yard. He was jailed for seven years in 1995. 


Metropolitan Police Authority member James Cleverly last night said he was totally unaware that the Met had any fixed wing aircraft.
Mr Cleverly, who also sits on the authority&#039;s counter terrorism and protective services committee, which examines the force&#039;s covert work, said: &quot;This is not something that I have been made aware of or have had the opportunity to scrutinise. 


&quot;In the light of the tight financial situation we are facing and the cuts being imposed on the police service it is imperative that we examine any assets that could be construed as a &#039;luxury&#039;.
&quot;I would expect full disclosure of details of this to the MPA to enable us to examine whether it represents good value for money for the police service.&quot;

Mark Demery
Head of External Relations
LONDONASSEMBLY
CITY HALL
THE QUEEN&#039;S WALK
LONDON
SE1 2AA
020 7983 5769
07973 191 635 

Visit the London Assembly website:www.london.gov.uk/assembly
Follow us on Twitter: @LondonAssembly
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ARTICLE I SENT TO THE LONDON MAYORS OFFICE

 

Dear Sir/Madam,
 
I have written to the London Mayors Office, the Prime Minister &amp; many other institutions/organisations, about these large &amp; smaller unmarked aircraft/helicopters, that have been flying low, around
in circles, over our estate, from 6:30 until 11:00pm at night, for nearly 9 years now.
 
All I have encountered, is a government wall of silence, over this matter. How can these huge commercial type aircraft (which are obviously being used has spy/surveillance aircraft) be allowed to constantly wake local residents up, every day, for nearly 9 years?
 
Exactly, how much has this really cost the British tax payers? According to a recent Telegraph article regarding these mysterious unmarked aircraft, the Met would only admit to just 3 aircraft, that they have been flying around London since, 1997. However, I have counted over 20 different types of unmarked aircraft/helicopters, including 4 main commercial type passenger aircraft, that have been used since 1997. they are; 2 x 727&#039;s, 737, &amp; a 747 passenger type planes. These particular aircraft are flying low over Tabard Gardens &amp; toward London&#039;s Heathrow Airport. However, these unmarked aircraft are not flying to Heathrow or any other airport, all they are doing, is just going around in circles, over our estate, for 18 hours a day. How in gods name can this be justified? Who is paying for all these aircraft to just fly around in circles, for 18 hours a day?
 
I am not getting any answers, from any of you in authority. Who, within this government, gave authorisation for these noisy/polluting planes to fly around our estate, constantly waking up local residents, every day, including every weekend? With all the cutbacks, the Met Police are going to be facing (simply, because the Government/EU eventually want a smaller European type police force) massive cuts in their budget. How, therefore, can the government/intelligence services, justify this kind of lavish spending on these types of aircraft. Or, is it, that an American military organisation are mostly funding these costly surveillance procedures, that a local resident told me only the other day? 

I am writing to everyone in the media. I will not stop until I get some answers, from all of you within the government. I know the security forces have to protect our citizens from possible terrorist activities. However, can&#039;t they just be satisfied with using just a couple of helicopters, packed with their eavesdropping equipment? Why are the intelligence services using these huge commercial type passenger aircraft, that are so noisy as well as create so much more unnecessary levels of pollution, over our estate? This is totally bizarre!
 
Because of the unusual nature of this situation, we at Tabard Gardens Estate Community Residents, demand a proper public enquiry into this matter, for the first time in nearly 9 years, come April. I am also sure, the British people/taxpayers will &amp; eventually get to know, exactly how much these hugely expensive, aircraft are costing &amp; who in government, authorised all of this.
 
Local residents, are sick to the back teeth of being woken up at early hours of the mornings, by these huge unmarked aircraft. All of this has become intolerable, to all the residents of Tabard Gardens. We will eventually be sending a letter, to her Majesty the Queen and the whole of the media. Quite frankly, the residents of Tabard have had enough.
 
If these aircraft were genuine commercial type passenger aircraft, going into Heathrow, then we would just have to put up with it all. But, these unmarked planes (that are not even registered with the CAA nor The NATS) are not commercial aircraft.......they are spy planes!
 
I will await your earliest reply,
 

Yours Sincerely,
 

Demetrius Skortou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir/Madam,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether you would be interested in what has been going on over our skies now for at least 9 years. Below are several E-Mails sent to various individuals, including David Miliband (leader of the Labour Party) and an article about these unmarked surveillance aircraft in the Telegraph, which have been flying around in circles, for 18 hours a day, over our estate for 9 years now.</p>
<p>No one in authority, seems to know why these unmarked aircraft have chosen our area, for all this surveillance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read your article on this new Police DNA database. I bet that soon all this information, will suddenly dissapear, into some overseas database.</p>
<p>Acts of terrorism, have brought rich rewards, for both the police &amp; intelligence services.</p>
<p>Yours Sincerely,</p>
<p>Demetrius Skortou</p>
<p>E-MAIL TO DAVID MILLIBAND</p>
<p>Dear Mr Miliband,</p>
<p>So, the government want to give even more powers to the security services to spy on anyone they like, how convenient. Terrorism has been a gift, to the intelligence services. The new laws, rules &amp; regulations, have allowed these faceless people to intrude into all our personal lives, and the government doesn&#8217;t have to confirm nor deny whether someone is under surveillance either. The established order of this country don&#8217;t really care about acts of terrorism, if they did, the government would not allow so many people to pass through our border controls, so easy!</p>
<p>Consider the E-Mail &amp; the Telegraph article below. For 9 years I have sent over 300 e-mails to every newspaper, relevant government dept, Prime Ministers offices, Home Secretaries (that didn&#8217;t seem to last long every time I wrote to them about these mysterious unmarked aircraft) Southwark Council, Valerie Shawcross MP, James Cleverly (who sits on the London assembly) Liberty, HACAN &#8211; Clear Skies, CAA, NATS, Simon Hughes MP for Southwark/Bermondsey and the MOD. I have come up against a brick wall of silence over this matter. It seems no one in authority or the press &amp; media are the least bit interested in these commercial passenger type aircraft, that are actually being used as surveillance aircraft. These unmarked aircraft/helicopters have been flying constantly around our estate of Tabard Gardens, SE1 for at least 9 years now, causing so much unnecessary levels of noise &amp; pollution, from 6:00am until 11:00pm at night&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.why? </p>
<p>Yours Sincerely,</p>
<p>Demetrius Skortou</p>
<p>MY E-MAIL</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether this E-mail will interest you. However, after reading an article of a white unmarked jet flying over New York on 9/11, I thought you may be interested in the article I sent below to our Local Police Authority, at the London Mayors Office at Tower Bridge, South London. </p>
<p>As you can see from the article below, the residents of a South London apartment block have had to endure the constant noise/pollution flights of these unmarked commercial passenger type aircraft, that have been flying around our estate, for nearly 9 years now. The British government have been keeping a tight lip about all of this. </p>
<p>The question is, why would the intelligence services use unmarked passenger jets to just fly around in circles, for 18 hours a day? And why was their a similar white unmarked passenger jet, circling around New York City, the same day that both Twin Towers, were destroyed&#8230;by Al-Qaeda? </p>
<p>Yours Sincerely,</p>
<p>Demetrius Skortou</p>
<p>THE TELEGRAPH ARTICLE</p>
<p>The Metropolitan Police has secret spy planes capable of eavesdropping on mobile phone calls from the sky.</p>
<p>The existence of the fleet of planes &#8211; each costing at least £3 million to purchase and hundreds of thousands more to operate &#8211; has never been publicly disclosed.<br />
The police have being using the planes since at least 1997.</p>
<p>The disclosure of the spending, which is not detailed in official accounts, comes as the police face 20 per cent cuts in their budget, creating fears that hundreds of support staff will lose their jobs and the number of officers reduced. </p>
<p>Despite the cuts the Met&#8217;s secret fixed wing aircraft fleet is still flying regular sorties over London from a base at Farnborough airfield, in Hampshire.<br />
The planes have apparently been fitted with secret surveillance equipment capable of intercepting mobile phone calls or eavesdropping on conversations.</p>
<p>They are understood to be similar to surveillance planes available to MI5 which have been used in anti-terrorism operations and were used to help West Midlands Police track suspects connected to a plot to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier. </p>
<p>One of the planes is a Cessna F04, which can carry up to 14 passengers or be fitted with specially integrated patrol mission packs. We have been asked not to disclose full details of the aircraft on security grounds.<br />
The twin engine craft are operated separately from the Met&#8217;s Air Support Unit which has three helicopters and flies hundreds of hours a month in support of police operations around the capital at a cost of £3 million a year.<br />
Last week a Metropolitan Police spokesman refused to discuss its use of the fixed wing aircraft but insisted it has gone through a &#8220;full&#8221; procurement process.</p>
<p>However members of the Metropolitan Police Authority, which scrutinises the force&#8217;s spending said they had never been told of the existence of the aircraft.<br />
According to Civil Aviation Authority records, the aircraft is registered to a firm called Nor Leasing.</p>
<p>There is no trace of the firm on any other official record and its business address registered with the CAA is actually a branch of Mail Boxes Etc, which offers a virtual office services and mail forwarding, in Surbiton, south-west London. </p>
<p>Another Cessna was also previously registered to Nor Leasing at the same address and at another service address in Kensington, west London.<br />
In 1997 one of the original individuals listed as &#8220;trading as&#8221; Nor Leasing was John Carnt who at the time was a senior Metropolitan Police detective.<br />
Superintendent Carnt was the then head of the Serious and Economic Crime Group, which was set up to combat major fraud, money laundering and art and antiques thefts.</p>
<p>The pattern of hidden spending is believed to have been established by Tony Williams, a former assistant finance director at Scotland Yard, who established a secret web of companies for use in specialist undercover operations.<br />
But Mr Williams also used the same techniques to steal millions of pounds from the force to set himself up as a bogus Scottish &#8220;laird&#8221;. Williams was accused of stealing more than £4 million from Scotland Yard. He was jailed for seven years in 1995. </p>
<p>Metropolitan Police Authority member James Cleverly last night said he was totally unaware that the Met had any fixed wing aircraft.<br />
Mr Cleverly, who also sits on the authority&#8217;s counter terrorism and protective services committee, which examines the force&#8217;s covert work, said: &#8220;This is not something that I have been made aware of or have had the opportunity to scrutinise. </p>
<p>&#8220;In the light of the tight financial situation we are facing and the cuts being imposed on the police service it is imperative that we examine any assets that could be construed as a &#8216;luxury&#8217;.<br />
&#8220;I would expect full disclosure of details of this to the MPA to enable us to examine whether it represents good value for money for the police service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mark Demery<br />
Head of External Relations<br />
LONDONASSEMBLY<br />
CITY HALL<br />
THE QUEEN&#8217;S WALK<br />
LONDON<br />
SE1 2AA<br />
020 7983 5769<br />
07973 191 635 </p>
<p>Visit the London Assembly website:www.london.gov.uk/assembly<br />
Follow us on Twitter: @LondonAssembly<br />
Follow us on Facebook: London Assembly</p>
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<p>ARTICLE I SENT TO THE LONDON MAYORS OFFICE</p>
<p>Dear Sir/Madam,</p>
<p>I have written to the London Mayors Office, the Prime Minister &amp; many other institutions/organisations, about these large &amp; smaller unmarked aircraft/helicopters, that have been flying low, around<br />
in circles, over our estate, from 6:30 until 11:00pm at night, for nearly 9 years now.</p>
<p>All I have encountered, is a government wall of silence, over this matter. How can these huge commercial type aircraft (which are obviously being used has spy/surveillance aircraft) be allowed to constantly wake local residents up, every day, for nearly 9 years?</p>
<p>Exactly, how much has this really cost the British tax payers? According to a recent Telegraph article regarding these mysterious unmarked aircraft, the Met would only admit to just 3 aircraft, that they have been flying around London since, 1997. However, I have counted over 20 different types of unmarked aircraft/helicopters, including 4 main commercial type passenger aircraft, that have been used since 1997. they are; 2 x 727&#8217;s, 737, &amp; a 747 passenger type planes. These particular aircraft are flying low over Tabard Gardens &amp; toward London&#8217;s Heathrow Airport. However, these unmarked aircraft are not flying to Heathrow or any other airport, all they are doing, is just going around in circles, over our estate, for 18 hours a day. How in gods name can this be justified? Who is paying for all these aircraft to just fly around in circles, for 18 hours a day?</p>
<p>I am not getting any answers, from any of you in authority. Who, within this government, gave authorisation for these noisy/polluting planes to fly around our estate, constantly waking up local residents, every day, including every weekend? With all the cutbacks, the Met Police are going to be facing (simply, because the Government/EU eventually want a smaller European type police force) massive cuts in their budget. How, therefore, can the government/intelligence services, justify this kind of lavish spending on these types of aircraft. Or, is it, that an American military organisation are mostly funding these costly surveillance procedures, that a local resident told me only the other day? </p>
<p>I am writing to everyone in the media. I will not stop until I get some answers, from all of you within the government. I know the security forces have to protect our citizens from possible terrorist activities. However, can&#8217;t they just be satisfied with using just a couple of helicopters, packed with their eavesdropping equipment? Why are the intelligence services using these huge commercial type passenger aircraft, that are so noisy as well as create so much more unnecessary levels of pollution, over our estate? This is totally bizarre!</p>
<p>Because of the unusual nature of this situation, we at Tabard Gardens Estate Community Residents, demand a proper public enquiry into this matter, for the first time in nearly 9 years, come April. I am also sure, the British people/taxpayers will &amp; eventually get to know, exactly how much these hugely expensive, aircraft are costing &amp; who in government, authorised all of this.</p>
<p>Local residents, are sick to the back teeth of being woken up at early hours of the mornings, by these huge unmarked aircraft. All of this has become intolerable, to all the residents of Tabard Gardens. We will eventually be sending a letter, to her Majesty the Queen and the whole of the media. Quite frankly, the residents of Tabard have had enough.</p>
<p>If these aircraft were genuine commercial type passenger aircraft, going into Heathrow, then we would just have to put up with it all. But, these unmarked planes (that are not even registered with the CAA nor The NATS) are not commercial aircraft&#8230;&#8230;.they are spy planes!</p>
<p>I will await your earliest reply,</p>
<p>Yours Sincerely,</p>
<p>Demetrius Skortou</p>
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		<description>Great write-up. I agree that fear tactics are so outdated and should be done away with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write-up. I agree that fear tactics are so outdated and should be done away with.</p>
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