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		<title>By: Hermosa Beach Day Spa</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-2938</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermosa Beach Day Spa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a big proponent of alternatives to medical care, but I'm not completely closed-minded about it.  A good example would be acupuncture.  Prior to being introduced to this treatment, I always dismissed anything that's not western medicine-related.  I didn't think that anything that wasn't FDA approved was a valid course of action.  I was mistaken when after having my 1st acupuncture treatment to aid with an injury I received on my lower back (a freak accident when I slipped on a banana peel outside and fell down a flight of stairs...I know, cliche!) about 8 years ago.  I remember the alleviation of pain I felt when I first stood up after that 1st treatment and I thought I was walking on clouds.  It wasn't an instant fix because a good portion of the pain was still there, but I could tell that it wasn't completely in vain.  I continued to go 3 times/week for a month and see if this ailment can be completely taken care of.  I was surprised to see that I was nearly 100% by the end of that month.  Mind you, I also had anti-inflammatory medication and a small vial of pain pills as well, but the acupuncture was a God-send.  These days, I'm still not big on the whole genre of herbal alternative medicines, but if something works for me personally, I'll stand by it throughout my life.  Acupuncture is one of those coupled by a good deep-tissue massage does the trick without a doubt in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big proponent of alternatives to medical care, but I&#8217;m not completely closed-minded about it.  A good example would be acupuncture.  Prior to being introduced to this treatment, I always dismissed anything that&#8217;s not western medicine-related.  I didn&#8217;t think that anything that wasn&#8217;t FDA approved was a valid course of action.  I was mistaken when after having my 1st acupuncture treatment to aid with an injury I received on my lower back (a freak accident when I slipped on a banana peel outside and fell down a flight of stairs&#8230;I know, cliche!) about 8 years ago.  I remember the alleviation of pain I felt when I first stood up after that 1st treatment and I thought I was walking on clouds.  It wasn&#8217;t an instant fix because a good portion of the pain was still there, but I could tell that it wasn&#8217;t completely in vain.  I continued to go 3 times/week for a month and see if this ailment can be completely taken care of.  I was surprised to see that I was nearly 100% by the end of that month.  Mind you, I also had anti-inflammatory medication and a small vial of pain pills as well, but the acupuncture was a God-send.  These days, I&#8217;m still not big on the whole genre of herbal alternative medicines, but if something works for me personally, I&#8217;ll stand by it throughout my life.  Acupuncture is one of those coupled by a good deep-tissue massage does the trick without a doubt in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: give me the beans and I'll count them</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-1462</link>
		<dc:creator>give me the beans and I'll count them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops - it doesn't work for me either.

It's an article by Professor Christopher Fairbairn submitted in September 2004 (and thus possibly out of date) to the International Journal of Eating Disorders published by Wiley Interscience on 25th April 2005. The title is  Evidence Based treatment of Anorexia Nervosa. I found it here http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/aboutus/topics/eating_disorders_evidence_base.html - hope that link works better

The abstract reads "This paper addresses the question Is evidence-based treatment of anorexia nervosa possible? Barely is the conclusion drawn. New forms of treatment are needed for adults with anorexia nervosa, and the true value of family-based treatment for adolescents has yet to be established. © 2005 by Wiley Periodicals, Inc." and the article appears (at least to me as a simple bean counter without a clinical qualification to her name) to be arguing that there isn't yet any overwhelming evidence for the so called evidence based treatments for Anorexia Nervosa cited in the NICE guidelines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops - it doesn&#8217;t work for me either.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an article by Professor Christopher Fairbairn submitted in September 2004 (and thus possibly out of date) to the International Journal of Eating Disorders published by Wiley Interscience on 25th April 2005. The title is  Evidence Based treatment of Anorexia Nervosa. I found it here <a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/aboutus/topics/eating_disorders_evidence_base.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www3.interscience.wiley.com');">http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/aboutus/topics/eating_disorders_evidence_base.html</a> - hope that link works better</p>
<p>The abstract reads &#8220;This paper addresses the question Is evidence-based treatment of anorexia nervosa possible? Barely is the conclusion drawn. New forms of treatment are needed for adults with anorexia nervosa, and the true value of family-based treatment for adolescents has yet to be established. © 2005 by Wiley Periodicals, Inc.&#8221; and the article appears (at least to me as a simple bean counter without a clinical qualification to her name) to be arguing that there isn&#8217;t yet any overwhelming evidence for the so called evidence based treatments for Anorexia Nervosa cited in the NICE guidelines</p>
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		<title>By: Frontier Psychiatrist</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Frontier Psychiatrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>give me the beans - the above link doesn't work - can you post the reference (title, authors, journal etc)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>give me the beans - the above link doesn&#8217;t work - can you post the reference (title, authors, journal etc)?</p>
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		<title>By: Frontier Psychiatrist</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>Frontier Psychiatrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we should be open to things which we weren't taught at medical school, but the position of the book is that anything that works and can be shown to do so in a properly conducted clinical trial is no longer actually alternative medicine, and anything which cannot pass these rigorous tests should be treated with great suspicion.  

The authors feel that we as doctors should be more forthright ambassadors for conventional medicine.  They blame doctors for colluding with alternative medicine out of ignorance and also expedience - we wish to use the 'harmless placebo'.

Your position on acupuncture appears to be quite close to this harmless placebo argument, whereby alternative therapies are provided for a difficult to treat conditions as a way of keeping our customers satisfied.   (The authors consider acupuncture to be ineffective in all but analgesia and nausea and even then to be no better than conventional treatments and with weak evidence).  Singh and Edzard consider the harmless placebo approach to be 'paternalistic and inevitably involves deception'.  It is discussed on page 244 onwards (hardback).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we should be open to things which we weren&#8217;t taught at medical school, but the position of the book is that anything that works and can be shown to do so in a properly conducted clinical trial is no longer actually alternative medicine, and anything which cannot pass these rigorous tests should be treated with great suspicion.  </p>
<p>The authors feel that we as doctors should be more forthright ambassadors for conventional medicine.  They blame doctors for colluding with alternative medicine out of ignorance and also expedience - we wish to use the &#8216;harmless placebo&#8217;.</p>
<p>Your position on acupuncture appears to be quite close to this harmless placebo argument, whereby alternative therapies are provided for a difficult to treat conditions as a way of keeping our customers satisfied.   (The authors consider acupuncture to be ineffective in all but analgesia and nausea and even then to be no better than conventional treatments and with weak evidence).  Singh and Edzard consider the harmless placebo approach to be &#8216;paternalistic and inevitably involves deception&#8217;.  It is discussed on page 244 onwards (hardback).</p>
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		<title>By: TheShrink</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>TheShrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not enthusiastic about complementary medicine as an alternative to appropriate medical care.

Equally I'm not so grandiose as to presume that nothing 'cept what I learnt at medical school is useful in promoting, improving or maintaining health. 

But, although fairly open minded, I am cautious about the explicit intervention.   Look it in the eye and tell me what it is.   We know from aromatherapy studies that the type of oil is irrelevant.   Maybe the studies were wrong, but the take home message to me was it's the process not the active agents that give benefit.

Crystal therapy, colour therapy, there's all sorts of presentations of stuff that I've sat through which really has bemused me.   

Acupuncture, as you say, scores points.   It can work.   It has little in the way of treatment emergent adverse events.   It is fairly cost efficient (locally there are over 600 folk having acupuncture on the NHS regularly, i.e. at fixed regular intervals forever) and this investment in indefinite longditudinal care has contained them (with no other input from other services now necessary).   Prior to this, frequent 'phone calls to GP surgeries and trips to A&#38;E and repeat Consultant referrals were the norm.   None of these are mental health patients, so in mainstream health provision I would see acupuncture as having some utility in affording both better patient care (with helpful symptom reduction) and meaningful impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not enthusiastic about complementary medicine as an alternative to appropriate medical care.</p>
<p>Equally I&#8217;m not so grandiose as to presume that nothing &#8216;cept what I learnt at medical school is useful in promoting, improving or maintaining health. </p>
<p>But, although fairly open minded, I am cautious about the explicit intervention.   Look it in the eye and tell me what it is.   We know from aromatherapy studies that the type of oil is irrelevant.   Maybe the studies were wrong, but the take home message to me was it&#8217;s the process not the active agents that give benefit.</p>
<p>Crystal therapy, colour therapy, there&#8217;s all sorts of presentations of stuff that I&#8217;ve sat through which really has bemused me.   </p>
<p>Acupuncture, as you say, scores points.   It can work.   It has little in the way of treatment emergent adverse events.   It is fairly cost efficient (locally there are over 600 folk having acupuncture on the NHS regularly, i.e. at fixed regular intervals forever) and this investment in indefinite longditudinal care has contained them (with no other input from other services now necessary).   Prior to this, frequent &#8216;phone calls to GP surgeries and trips to A&amp;E and repeat Consultant referrals were the norm.   None of these are mental health patients, so in mainstream health provision I would see acupuncture as having some utility in affording both better patient care (with helpful symptom reduction) and meaningful impact.</p>
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		<title>By: give me the beans and I'll count them</title>
		<link>http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/trick-or-treatment-review/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>give me the beans and I'll count them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How well do psychological treatments REALLY come out in Randomised Controlled Trials? This article doesn't make any great claims for an evidence base for current treatments, and yet NICE et al are happy to say that there ARE evidence based treatments available. http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/110472689/abstract?CRETRY=1&#38;SRETRY=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How well do psychological treatments REALLY come out in Randomised Controlled Trials? This article doesn&#8217;t make any great claims for an evidence base for current treatments, and yet NICE et al are happy to say that there ARE evidence based treatments available. <a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/110472689/abstract?CRETRY=1&amp;SRETRY=0" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www3.interscience.wiley.com');">http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/110472689/abstract?CRETRY=1&amp;SRETRY=0</a></p>
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